Duties of the Householder – Gita Group.

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Dear Sadhakas, Namakar

Please enlighten me, regarding what are the duties of a Gruhastha
(family man, householder), according to Geetaji.

…Gee Waman
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NEW POSTING

Ram Ram

Last night I was hearing SATSANG of MAHARAJ JI of the day of Since
April-1991, that time there is a bright way in my mind that is WHAT
IS GEETA? MEANING OF GEETA? please rectify my mistake about above
question.

If there is a single mistake or wrong question then please “MUJE
BHOLA JAAN KE MAAF KAR DENA” “Consider me to be ignorant / innocent and Forgive me” according to MAHARAJ JI ( 18 April-
1991’s satsang)

Jag Mohan
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Jai Hanuman

JAGAT BHAR KI ROSHNI KE LIYE, KARODO KI JINDAGI KE LIYE ….. SOORAJ
RE JALATE RAHNA !!

For spreading light in the dark universe, giving life to all , O
Sun …. Kindly keep burning !!

Words can never express our gratitude to all sadhaks in this forum.

Namaste Jee
Jee Jee
Shashikala
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Jai Hanuman

Tyaag / Bhog / Tapasya / Grihastha / Sin / Virtue !!

With permission of this Divine Forum Moderators , I would like to
narrate ‘real life’ description of aforesaid terms. Read it with
reference to ‘Kaliyuga’ trends and BG 18:32. Slightly long , but I
hope it will serve many : I got married very early and my Hubby then
was only 17 and me 15. He is very sharp but once we saw a movie
called ‘Chitralekha’. There was one ‘ Kalyugi’ song in that –
absolutely appeared even to the best of minds as Bhajan. My
hubby ‘acted’ on that temporarily and after paying penalty and upon
coming in touch with Swamiji , in early 80s , he realised grave
error. That is what Swamiji called ‘evil in the garb of good’ .
Reproducing that ‘bhajan’ to Sadhaks so that they may never get
enticed to the juiciness of the same:

SANSAAR SE BHAGE PHIRATE HO BHAGWAAN KO TUM KYAA PAOGE ! IS JANAM KO
BHI APNA NA SAKE, US JANAM MAIN BHI PACHHTAOGE !!

You are running away from the world, how will you get God? You are
not able to enjoy this world properly, you will repent up there
(after death) also.

YEH BHOG BHI EK TAPASYA HAI, TUM TYAAG KE MARE KYAA JANO! APMAAN
RACHIYATA KA HOGA, RACHNA KO AGAR THUKRAOGE !!

This ‘bhog’ (consumption of worldly pleasures- say alcohol) is also
an austerity. You are not able to appreciate it because of pre
conceived notion of “renunciation/sacrifice” . You shall be
insulting the Creator , if you reject/renounce His creation !!

HAM KAHATE HAIN YEH JAG APNA HAI, TUM KAHATE HO JHOOTHA SAPANA HAI !
HAM JANAM BITAA KAR JAYENGE, TUM JANAM GAVAA KAR JAOGE!!

I say that this world is “mine”. You say that this world is false
and dream. I will win and live in this world and then die, you will
lose in this world and then die.

YEH PAAP HAI KYAA YEH PUNYA HAI KYAA, REETO PAR DHARAM KI MOHARE
HAIN ! HAR YUG MAIN BADALATE DHARMO KO KAISE ADARSH BANAAOGE !!

What is “paap” (sin) ? What is “punya” ( virtue). They are only
rituals on which there is a stamp of ‘dharma’. How can you idolise
that ‘dharma’ which changes in every ‘yuga’ (changes with time) ?

Hubby carried these lines to his heart. Once he asked Swamiji- Sir
everything has been made by God, why not consume it? Do we not
insult Creator if we reject creation? The Great Swamiji replied- God
has made poison also, stool also, will you eat it? He became
speechless !! That changed him ! Today he says each and every line
of this song is wrong !

That is how evil comes in the garb of good, Divine Sadhaks in this
Kaliyuga !

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee
Shashikala
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Hari Om

As per my experience a Karma Yogi sheds his ego automatically by
serving others so much so that in the end ‘server’, ‘servicee’
and ‘service’ all three become one element. ‘Good qualities’ in a
human are the part of his very natural self and are never required
to be renounced- be it tyaag (sacrifice/renunciation) or forgiveness
or compassion , or tolerance or truthfulness, or humility or non
violence -they all are ‘divine properties’ – the very nature of
Paramatma ! Can Sun renounce light? I agree with Brother Mike- ego
can’t be killed with ego- never ! It is only
sacrifice/renunciation/tyaag of “mineness” that kills ego and of
course the grace of Paramatma to the surrendered devotee. What kind
of ego a mom carries while feeding her children?

I agree with Madanji Kaura. We must act as per Scriptures. Only
Scriptures are the proof or the yardsticks of ideal conduct.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B
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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Dear Sathyanarayanji

Minor correction – In your Mahabharat example – Arjuna brings
Ashwathama to Draupadi and not to Kunti.

Thank you for beautiful illustrations, they are indeed very
inspiring and fitting to the duty of the householder. Nothing
personal, would like to share a common observation – in few
instances, there have been great responses from our learned scholars
in Gita-talk forum but at times, the question at hand has not been
specifically addressed. Our moderators have been very patient about
this. Pls. forgive me for being so blunt about this observation,
kindly take my comments in a constructive way only.

Thanks to Gee Waman for posing a good question –

WHAT IS HOUSEHOLDER’S DUTY ACCORDING TO GITAJI?

In this particular setting, as a Kshatriya, Arjuna’s duty is to
fight the war, protect the masses from the unrighteousness rule.
Depending upon the setting, circumstances and the situation at hand,
the individual’s duty does vary, Arjuna too is a householder, in
household circumstances he will be playing a different role, his
duty would not be fighting the war. But the principles outlined in
our scriptures do apply: the householder’s duty is described broadly
in Gitaji much in detail in many verses but for the sake of brevity,
following few are referenced here:

Gita: (2/ 31-38), (2/48),
(3/8-9) (3-19), (3-21), (3-35),
(16/24)

Gita 2-38
“:sukhadukhe same krtva, labhalabhau jayajayau
tato yudhaya yujsave, nai ‘vam papam avapsyasi”

Meaning:
Treating alike pleasure and pain, gain and loss, victory and defeat,
get ready for the fight (Arjuna’s duty in this setting), then,
fighting thus you will not incur sin.

Gita 2-48
“yogasthah kuru karmani, sangam tyaktva dhanamjaya
sidhyasidhyoh samo bhutva, samatvam yoga ecyate”

Meaning:
Established in Yoga, perform your duty O Dhanamjaya (Arjuna),
abandoning attachment, being even-minded in success and failure;
even-mindedness is called Yoga.

Gita 3-19
“tasmad asaktah satatam, kayam karma samacara
asakto hy acaran karma, param apnoti purushah”

Meaning:
Therefore, always efficiently do your duty without attachment. Doing
work without attachment, man attains the Supreme.

Gita 16-24
“tasmac chastram pramanam te, karyakaryavasthitau
jnatva sastravidhanoktam, karma karatum iha ‘rhasi”

Meaning:
Therefore, let the scripture be your authority in determining what
ought to be done and what ought not to be done. Knowing this, you
should act only in accordance with the sanction of scripture.

Humble regards,
Madan Kaura
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Simple answer could be….

To know your true self and help everyone around i.e. family and
friends
in knowing themselves…..while doing (without the doer ship)
everything else……
Sushil Jain
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PRIOR POSTING
Dear sadaks,
Scarifies–When Sri Rama asked to give away his throne to Bharat,
Puraan says HIS face was like just flowered lotus and brightness on
HIS face. The message was from Kaykeyi (Step mother) not from
Dasarath who actually said. Sri Rama never even verified the order
from Dasarath. Means sacrifies not done with benefit or done
knowingly (Sri Rama was not knowing the act was sacrifies). The best
part was when Sri Rama returned from forest HE first went to the
hunch back lady who spoilt Kaikeyi mind. DEAR SADAKS, kaikeyi mind
got corupted because of desire (which is ongoing discussion) of her
son. There is a saying Do Dharma with one hand let not the other
hand know. Concept of Sacrifies. A small iota thought of the action
in mind is enough to bring Ego in sacrifies.

Jesus crucified knows body soul are differant. If someone feels
happy in crucifing the body HE was silent. HE said, “Nothing happens
without the will of my Father”. So the action of sacrifies was not
owned by Jesus, the action owned by HIS father. Before dying HE
said, “Oh father in heavens let them be spared as they know not what
they are doing”. So the action of the crucifer was also disowned by
Jesus, which in turn disowned in mind level.
Five Bala Pandavas was slined by Aswathama after the war. Sri
Krishna and Arjuna catches Aswathama brings to Kunthi. She says let
Aswathama go since he is Guru`s son. Kunthi sacrifies was a concept.
Sadaks know Baktha Gora pot maker. His enimies broke his pots to
bits whitch he was carrying by cart for sale. He started picking the
bits from floor. The enemies asked whether he was mad. He replied
the bits mat hurt the passer by, so he is clearing the way. Pots was
sacrifice and picking denotes forgiveness. Both action were not even
in mind level Same Gora due to quarrel with his wife who said not to
touch her there after. Gora was NO way different from daily
household and in showing affection to his wife, but remained
untouched living in same bed room. Just a word from his wife in
anger not to touch her, he sacrificed his years of life which we
call it happiness.

Buddha walking for bath. Some said abusive language. He actually
forgot then and there, but his disciples reminded him. Buddha said
when did that happened. Mind level forgiveness which not owned. So
was Sri Rama, when some one asked forgivness for their misbehaviour
HE used to say “When it happened”. We store everything in our mind
to full extent, leaving no place for Bagavan WHO keeps on saying
leave it to ME (Surrender). Same thing said, in Christianity, “Empty
thyself, I will fill it”. We wont empty for Sri Krishna to come in,
still I hear from some sadaks, “Is God gone on holidays when I am
sufferings”.

Jai Sri Krishna
B.Sathyanarayan
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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
On Ashokji’s comments:
It is equally possible that acts of sacrifice and that of empathy
both can boost ego or both may not necessarily boost ego, depending
on the inner postures while acting.
As I understand it, Happiness is not contrary to anything or anyone,
as in Happiness there is “nobody” that is happy, is totally devoid
of “me”. It just is That, Happiness!
Our true nature, upon realization, is experienced as Happiness-
Bliss itself. It is welcoming Presence in us which welcomes
sacrifices with joy. It says “yes” to everything arising/appearing
in it, the reason why they arise/appear in the first place.
Sometimes doing things for others can also strengthen ego if in
thoughts “doer” creeps up while doing.
Forgiveness is the greatest virtue in practical life, sure. But in
forgiving if “forgiver”, disguised “me” shows up to forgive
the “other”, it may not make us peaceful, but can boost ego.
Forgiving, to me, is to overlook, or look over ego in others and
give understanding. It is to see that the person is not bad but
his/her acts are so, due to ignorance.
Namaskar………….Pratap Bhatt
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Raam! Raam!!

We are all grateful to GT Moderators for sheer service being
rendered to humanity through management of this divine web site.
With reference to the topic under discussion , however, may I state
that for the first time I saw them agreeing to a totally wrong
statements. Since it is very dangerous from 20000 + sadhak point
of view hence I must point out. Consider the following:

“As I see spirituality is bi-modal in nature. The first mode is to
appreciate the inherent happiness that is ever-present and ever-
free; and the second is to realize that the ego itself can
relinquish its cherished I-ness and Mine-ness volitionally. The TRUE
FREEDOM is to empower itself to execute on its own removal rather
than franchising an external agent to do the same. The TRUE
CONTENTMENT is to be the ever-present and ever-free happiness that
everything is naturally rather than imbibing the same through some
specific agents – be it natural, psychological, social or
substantial.
(THANK YOU NAGA NARAYANAJI – THAT CLARIFIES.. WE WERE TRANSLATING
SUKH AS HAPPINESS and ANAND AS BLISS. In your response you have
clarifed that you used the word happiness for Anand. GT Moderators)”

What does it clarify? How spirituality is bi-modal in nature? HOW
CAN EGO ITSELF RELINQUISH ITS CHERISHED I -ness or mineness? Answer
me ! How can Ego relinquish itself ? What are natural agents,
substantial agents, social agents, psychological agents ? What was
wrong in considering Happiness and Sukh as worldly and Anand as
Bliss to be the goal of each of us? Why we should equate them so
casually? How can an inert thing like TRUE FREEDOM “itself” empower
itself to execute on its own ……..?

Changing the apparent behavior to suit one’s beliefs is deceit and
hypocracy. ( WHAT BEHAVIOUR ? WHOSE BELIEF? ) /

One need not become anything specific – be it in the lifestyle or in
the profession or in the soceity – anything that we are and we do is
OK as far as we dive into the abyss within. ( WHY ONE SHOULD NOT
BECOME SPECIFIC? WHY ONE SHOULD NOT BECOME SADHAK? HOW ANYTHING WE
DO IS OK? DRUG ADDICTS ARE OK? )

Shyama C
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Radhey Radhey

Sadhak Sushilji ! I am happy you covered yourself quickly against a
difficult note which you wrote that “Sacrifice and Happiness are
contrary”. I agree fully with your explanation except Sr No 1. It is
Sr No 2 till the end which is absolutely correct. The fact is that
every sacrifice ( renunciation) instantly produces happiness.
INSTANTLY – even if that renunciation is of body waste. It is LAW !
That it boosts ego, etc they are all craps. NO RENUNCIATION CAN EVER
FUEL EGO ! Every renunciation reduces Ego ! There is no substance in
classifying Bhoga, Happiness (sukha) and Ananda and then eloquently
concluding – “Just words….nothing more ” . “If you look closely –
Happiness is happiness ” !! Sheer twist of words and nothing ,
nothing more than that ! They are not just words , there are
distinctions between them as wide as are south and north poles.

You have not looked closely at all Mr Naga Narain. Bhoga is
temporary. Bhoga is relative. ANANDA is absolute, self proven. Dont
say so loosely whatever comes to mind. Think deeply. Have you never
heard the word PEACE ? If yes, why did not you talk about it? What
is happiness ? Know Mr Naga and accept it humbly that- Happiness is
PEACE !! Says Gita – ASHANTASYA KUTAH SUKHAM ? ( Where is happiness
to him , who is not peaceful.? ) Dont just say for the sake of
saying.

But I have a request to make to GT Moderators. Please insist that
there is RELEVANCE to the Q asked in the response. Sushilji ,
Vyasji, Mike, Pratapji , Jee Jee Shashikalajee all talked
about “Duties of Household” and then came finer points of
discussion. Did Mr Naga Narain talk a single word reg the Question
of Mr GeeWaman? This is not how the deliberations become focussed
and fruitful.

Radhey Radhey
Nisha Chatterji
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To GT Moderators

Re-Read this again and kindly explain:

The Happiness, The Ananda, whether you receive it knowingly or
unknowingly, whether is substance-triggered or subject-
triggered,whether it is established within or borrowed from around,
it has the same quality – erasure of the I-ness and Mine-ness, the
ego. Anybody can do this self-experiment. Ask anybody who consumes
alcohol why he/she would drink that. The truthful answer would be
always to forget what they are, to forget the identities they hoard.
If you analyze the psyche of anybody (oneself is the best to
analyze), it becomes apparent that everything we do is to erase, at
least to forget, what we think we are as we think we stink there.
Whether a person derives this state of mind by chemical assistance
(e.g.coffee, tea, food, intoxicants, drugs, etc.), and/or by social
assistance (e.g. spouse, children, family, parties, bhajans,
etc.),and/or by psychological assistance (dreaming, narscissism,
meditation, etc.), or by natural assistance (sleep), the quality of
the happiness is unique – the absence of I-ness and Mine-ness!
Quality of its counterpart (unhappiness) is also uniques – the
presence of I-ness and Mine-ness!

WHAT DOES IT MEAN ? IT MEANS THAT IF YOU ARE CONSUMING DRUGS , (
substance triggered) – so long as under the influence of drugs you
are forgetting I- ness and Me- ness , you have established yourself
to the HIGHEST ANANDA level and have achieved the goal of human
birth ??? WHAT EXACTLY IS MEANT BY THIS?

And GT Moderators are thanking ?? along with boldly reference to
Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!!

No ! I dont want to be a party to such ecstacies! Sorry. I regret I
became member of this group.

Audrey Rodrigues
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Hare Hare

Recent deliberations raise more Questions than answers. How can any
SADHAK boldly state that BHOGA/SUKHA/ANANDA are same thing, only a
matter of attitude, the effect is the same !!! Incomprehensible !

Statements such as same Ananda gets converted into happiness/bhoga
etc. are taking us no where in this WORD PLAY. The fact is that
there is huge difference in EXPERIENCE/ VERY NATURE/ VERY ELEMENTARY
of these elements. One is relative,transitory, unnatural, unreal and
another is ABSOLUTE and NATURAL, and real. What has attitude got
to do with it is totally unclear? and mainly what does it have to
do with the Question of Mr Gee Waman?

Bandook Singh Rathod

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PRIOR POSTING

Friends
I refer to the Gita Talk Moderator’s request for explanation on my
statement ‘Sacrifice and happiness are contrary’
1.Mr Naga Narayan has explained it correctly and adequately that the
notion or act of sacrifices boosts ego.
2.Act done with compassion and empathy for the benefit of other
will not boost ego and the act itself will be joy.
3.Sacrifice assumes forgoing something whereas in reality the
happiness by doing something for others is much more.
4.Sacrifice ,in a way ,focuses attention on other whereas happiness
focuses on self.
5.Sacrifice assumes owning and parting with something valuable
whereas for a sadhak nothing is owned and nothing is parted with.

If anything done which does not boosts ego it is ok but mind is vey
subtle

There is fundamentally no difference of opinion in importance of
sacrifice but one has to careful about it’s impact on ego.

Mr Naga Narayan has also mentioned Forgiveness.

I am willing to forgive now is the first step in forgiving. Only
saying ‘I forgive now completely and unconditionaly’ is not
sufficient.Major issues and problems can be resolved by one
statement ‘I am willing to forgive now’ It can be made a daily 5-10
minutes routine every night.

But even more important is ‘ I seek forgiveness now’ This single
sentence can work miracle.

regards
Ashok Jain
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Q: SUKH = HAPPINESS; and ANAND = BLISS. In your response you have
clarifed that you used the word happiness for Anand.

Normally, the scriptures refer to the same in three levels – Ananda,
Sukha and Bhoga. Though they all address the same experience, the
attitude behind the experience differ dramatically depending on the
ignorance and inertia hoarded in an individual.

Ananda is the state of bliss where there are no attitudes – nobody
to claim the ownership of the experience. As soon as an owner (the
ego) crops up, the absolute experience becomes a memory in the
owners perception. The recall of the absolute bliss is often
referred to as Sukha. When an external agent is given the authority
over the same experience – the belief that the joy is inherent in
the objects of pleasures – it is called Bhoga.

In other words,

Bhoga – The objects are let to own the (notion of) happiness – the
ego owns the anticipation of the experience thereupon. The
individual craves for the availability of the objects of pleasures
and enterst the whirlpool of miseries.
Sukha – The subject owns the (memory of) happiness – the ego owns
the belief of enjoyership. The individual elates in his own prowess
to command the experience. On the positive side, it allows the ego
to pause to wonder and ponder `what is the nature of the happiness
and what exactly is its focus?’
Ananda – The Happiness remains as The Absolute where both the
subject and the objects are dissolved loosing their identities and
ownerships altogether.

But, if you look at it closely, The Happiness is The Happiness
whether one entertained apparent notion (Bhoga) or inherent notion
(Sukha) or just be THAT (Ananada). All the words are referring to
the same … but the first two have no clue of what IT really is!
Space is space and time is time whether one is congizant of the same
or not. So is The Hapiness … IT is what IT IS, nothing else.

Just words … nothing more …

Q: ONE DOUBT – SWAMIJI HAS EMPHASIZED TYAAG (SACRIFICE). It is
having our eye on other’s welfare and benefit. This is true
sacrifice (tyaag). THEREFORE TO SEE TO SOMEONE ELSE’S WELL-BEING,
ISN’T THERE AN ELEMENT OF TYAAG I.E. NOT HAVING EYE ON WHAT IS
BENEFICIAL TO US?

Yes! Many other realized souls also advise the same to the worldly
men the same way!! Nobody can tell otherwise in all sanity when
the “good living” is in the context.

I am not well-versed on Swamiji’s works. But, whatever few things I
have understood so far from his works is as follows. Swamiji
emphasises on all the good qualities when the context is relative
life. All the qualities such as non-violence, sacrifice,
forgivingness, etc. are good for keeping healthy relations within
the society on one hand and are good tools to turn one’s attention
from “Bhoga” toward “Sukha” – from worldly dependence toward
individual independence to actualize the spiritual practices to
start with. Swamiji refers to this as journey from Prapancha Drishti
toward Viveka Drishti. In Viveka Drishti, clear discrimination (Ref:
Sadhan Sudhaa Sindhu, Vibhaga Yoga) of the perceived dualities and
polarities in absolute clarity from the perceptional view point
itself is of paramount importance to reveal the ignorance hidden in
ones apparent knowledge. At this level, one has to see through ones
appreciation to realize what really is “good” and what really
is “bad” even from the perceptional standards. That is essential to
lead a “good living”. And, “good living” is essential for
spirituality. No arguments there.

The same Swamiji also continues further while educating our Viveka
Drishti toward Bhagavaddrishti (“Sukha” toward “Ananda”) to explain
how even the acts of Deep Trans (Samadhi) – let alone regular
Bhajans, Meditations, and other good living qualities – belong to
the dominion of the Insentient World, The Prakriti. No trace of ego
is enetertained at The Ananda, The Sentient, The Purusha (Ref:
Sadhan Sudha Sindhu, Bhagavattattva). The Avinaashee Ras that he
explains in the next chapter is an eye opener from this perspective.
Only THAT is present and nothing else – not even Samadhi in that
Sahaja Sthiti.

Therefore, it depends on the context. A Bhogi needs to be educated
to become a Sukhi … and a Sukhi seeks Ananda naturally. In the first
phase, good qualities should be imbibed … in the second phase, even
that should be dropped. Interestingly, there is no sequence in these
phases … we, as seekers, often oscillate between the three states of
happiness (Bhoga, Sukha and Ananda) due to the inertia and ignorance
gravitated within. Till we purge the lump of ignorance and inertia
out we cannot help it. However, pragmatic appreciation (Yathaartha
Gnyaana) of what we do, how we do and who we are is essential.
Somehow, I am fascinated by the second phase more than the first.
That is all. It does not mean that the first phase is of any
insignificance.

Respects
Naga Narayana
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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
As our Moderators note Mike’s post, I would also say yes, we are a
one big (happy) family. It is happy family because happiness comes
from our bigness. If we feel divided and shrunk, we don’t feel
happy. Our bigness makes us integrally one and acts as if we are
one, and hence leaves no room for conflict inherent in division.
Such bigness manifests in well being of all because whoever does
whatever is for well being of one and all.
Secondly I want to build on what Shashikalaji said on Ego.
Ego is a “sense”(perception) of separation in our Consciousness-
Atman, which is ONE, and cannot be divided into many.
This sense is also called “me” or “I”, mistaken to be an
independently existing entity.
This “me” is only a thought in mind or a feeling/sensation
(pains/pleasures) in body that we identify with and say its “me”
or “I”. Once there is “me”, mineness ensues! If we don’t identify
body as “me” just as toddlers don’t, there cannot be “mineness”.
Mineness can be many but “me” is only one appearing as many
mineness. “me” is hiding place for mineness.
This “me” becomes stronger with external sense perception which we
call world “out there” and thus we say “not-I or not-me”. Thus not-I
or not-me gives more credibility to “me” and viceversa. Soon the
mere sense becomes reality.
Strangly enough, “me” is never our experience! When examined, our
experience seems to be of being conscious of thoughts and sensations
of forms/objects perceived/conceived only. In otherwords,
Consciousness is the only experience upon which we superimpose body-
mind-world. Then to this-body-mind we say “me” and the other-bodies-
world become not-me.
Experientially the body appears in mind as thought; the mind and the
world, both, appear as thoughts in Consciousness. This very
Consciousness is Atman, or Brahman or Reality or Pure Soul, or
Pure “Presence-I AM” or Existence which is conscious of itself
called SELF!
SELF is Sat-Chit experience(anubhutirupah). As such it is never
embodied, rather body-mind-world are in It, It permeates the entire
universe. Everything is in It as Itself.
IF one can see the truth of it, one gets liberated, JeevnMukta.
This is ONE TRUTH, all else is Bondage!
Namaskar…………Pratap Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING
-Shree Hari-

In response to the comment by the moderators, to my somewhat
truncated response, I have contemplated Gitaji for what was
underlying my thoughts.

‘A person of such qualities will know his duties as a father/mother,
grand parent, and so on.

Taking the verses from Gitaji posted below, and looking at a profile
of a family head who has gained these attributes:

The man of restraint is awake
In what is night for all beings;
That in which all beings awake
Is night for the wise one who sees. B.G. 2(69)

The highest Self of him who has
Conquered himself and is peaceful,
Is steadfast in cold, heat, pleasure,
Pain; and honor and dishonor. B.G. 6(7)
The yogi who is content in
Knowledge and discrimination,
With senses conquered–unto him
Earth, stone, and gold are all the same. B.G. 6(8)
He attains eminence who looks
The same on well-wishers, friends, foes,
Neutral to enemies and kin,
The righteous and the unrighteous. B.G. 6(9)

Would not get caught up with mob mentality, understanding his duty
to create a wise and functioning family.
Being at peace, with the Divine shining through, will do what is
right, will not show favoritism, see the worth in all, including the
members of ones family. (Not to be one eyed, about the family or its
members).
Not to waste effort, in trying to buy affection within the family
with trinkets and toys even if they are sports cars etc.
Understanding that one should not judge, as all is working out as it
will (Lila). But with compassion and love one can offer sound
guidance.
(These attributes are far more global than family, but actually are
we not one big family?)

With Respect and Divine Love.

Mike (Keenor).

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Shree Hari
Ram Ram

MIKE! Thank you! BEAUTIFULLY SAID. Are we not one big family? Thus
is our PRIMARY duty AS A “ONE BIG” FAMILY MAN – “Sarvabhootahite
rataah” (Gita 12:4)? That is – May we all be absorbed in the well
being of all. What is sadhak’s understanding regarding this? Does
Gita speak at all of the smaller family nucleas that we think off as
family?
Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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Jai Hanuman

Excellent Q by GT Moderators ! There are two ahams (egos) . One that
relates with “existence” of the self (I exist) . A Jnana Yogi
establishes himself into that only. That remains in all three yogis-
Jnana, Bhakti and Karma yogis, even after liberation/kalyaan.

There is “another” ego which is connecting “self” (pure soul) to
inert (to world – body/mind/intellect). It is always “worldly” ego.
I am body, I am Doctor, I am rich etc. This “me” gets destroyed with
destruction of “mine” immediately as a law. What remains behind is
pure unattached free “self” !
Jeevan Mukta. Liberated while living. Janaka, Swamiji Ramsukhdasji
Maharaj, Vaashishtha, Kaak Bhusandi etc had become liberated before
merging with Brahma. Their binding ego had destroyed but ” I exist”
this awareness remained. “I” thus remained there. But that “I”
always remained in “Equanimity” mode- unattached !

In fact ‘desire’, ‘spriha’ , ‘mamata’ and ‘ahankaar’ all four are
one element only-worldly ego ! Desire is gross. “Spriha” (worry for
basic needs for body ) is subtle than desire. “Mamata” (mineness) is
more subtle than “spriha” . Ego (me) is the subtlest among the four
names of same element. Hence in “effect” you renounce
fully “mamata” , you will become “egoless” and vice versa !

As regards reference of Gita/Swamiji – please refer pg 137 of Sadhak
Sanjeevani where Swamiji while commenting upon BG 2:71 had stated
exactly what I have written. Read particularly second last para on
pg 137 (Hindi) of Sadhak Sanjeevani !

When the body is not “mine” , then I don’t need anything . Desire
for what? Worry for what? When nothing is “mine” then what remains
in “me” ?
“Me” in fact is always with reference to worldly possessions, body
etc. When “mine” is gone, very basis for “me” is gone !! What
remained behind is “I exist” – this awareness only ! Unattached,
Free, Liberated – me – I exist !!

A Karma yogi (Grihashtha-houeshold generally) strives to
renounce “mineness” – mamata by putting his/her body, belongings,
powers etc fully into the service of the world. By doing that
his/her “mineness” first gets destroyed and thereupon ego (me -ness)
gets purified of “worldly impact/connection” ! A Jnana Yogi first
eliminates “me-ness” (ahankaar- I am doer) by renouncing worldly
activities in favour of nature ( I am not body. I don’t do
anything ) and thereupon his/her mamata gets renounced. A Bhakti
yogi changes his “me-ness” from worldly to Godly ( I am of God ) and
mineness from worldly to Godly (ONLY God is mine) and thus becomes
egoless and mamtaless !! All three thus renounce “connection with
inert- world – body/mind/intellect/activity/matter”. “I exist” –
this awareness remains in them till death ! They use body, mind,
intellect – but in “equanimous mode” – unattached !!

Thanks ! Nothing pleases me more than such Question / Answer
sessions. A really good Question !

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee
Shashikala
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THANK YOU JEE JEE! (GT MODERATORS)
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Thanks for the wonderful questions …

How one’s happiness indicates the abscence of the true culprit – the
ego?
Can one be happy at another’s expense as a householder/family man?
Isn’t there an element of sacrifice? Besides being happy, there must
be certain duties of a Householder?

Let us see …

Q: How one’s happiness indicates the abscence of the true culprit –
the ego?

The Happiness, The Ananda, whether you receive it knowingly or
unknowingly, whether is substance-triggered or subject-triggered,
whether it is established within or borrowed from around, it has the
same quality – erasure of the I-ness and Mine-ness, the ego. Anybody
can do this self-experiment. Ask anybody who consumes alcohol why
he/she would drink that. The truthful answer would be always to
forget what they are, to forget the identities they hoard. If you
analyze the psyche of anybody (oneself is the best to analyze), it
becomes apparent that everything we do is to erase, at least to
forget, what we think we are as we think we stink there. Whether a
person derives this state of mind by chemical assistance (e.g.
coffee, tea, food, intoxicants, drugs, etc.), and/or by social
assistance (e.g. spouse, children, family, parties, bhajans, etc.),
and/or by psychological assistance (dreaming, narscissism,
meditation, etc.), or by natural assistance (sleep), the quality of
the happiness is unique – the absence of I-ness and Mine-ness!
Quality of its counterpart (unhappiness) is also uniques – the
presence of I-ness and Mine-ness!

Its uniques aspect of the happiness is its independence of all the
media through which one attains it. Also, the happiness should be
ever present everywhere. Otherwise, how can one attain it
irresepctive of the media chosen? How can one attain the same every
time consistently? How can anybody attain it any time anywhere? This
reinforces the theory that it is present across time and space,
rather it transcends space and time and therefore everything else.

When it is independent of everything, why should one develop
dependence on anything else? When it is ever-present everywhere in
abundance, why every one seem to struggle to pursue the same as if
in a panick that there is a scarcity of the same? That remains the
puzzle for everyone.

The reason why we loose sight of the happiness is the corruption
smeared by the ego who comes back to action claiming ownership over
the erstwhile experience of the happiness. Knowing the un-ownable
nature of the happiness subconciously, the ego enforces its
authority further by making a belief that the happiness is hidden in
the objects and actions because it feels it can manipulate them.
Without its own knowledge, it becomes a slave to the same ideas,
actions and objects which are its slaves in its belief. That is the
weakness of the ego … dependence on external entities such as
objects, actions and ideas to believe the presence of the happiness.
It does not understand, rather it refuses to understand, that the
very same ideas, actions or objects could provide happiness only by
removing itself from its cognition by disconnecting it from the
mechanism of relating itself to the I-ness and Mine-ness in real.
Due to its ignorance of what is happening, it becomes addicted to
the very notions, actions and objects to “forget” itself.

As I see spirituality is bi-modal in nature. The first mode is to
appreciate the inherent happiness that is ever-present and ever-
free; and the second is to realize that the ego itself can
relinquish its cherished I-ness and Mine-ness volitionally. The TRUE
FREEDOM is to empower itself to execute on its own removal rather
than franchising an external agent to do the same. The TRUE
CONTENTMENT is to be the ever-present and ever-free happiness that
everything is naturally rather than imbibing the same through some
specific agents – be it natural, psychological, social or
substantial.
(THANK YOU NAGA NARAYANAJI – THAT CLARIFIES. WE WERE TRANSLATING
SUKH = HAPPINESS and ANAND = BLISS. In you response you have
clarifed that you used the word happiness for Anand. GT Moderators)

Q: Can one be happy at another’s expense as a householder/family
man?

When one is established in CONTENTMENT and FREEDOM how can he ever
disturb others?! Even when one is working toward THAT, how can there
be exploitation of others? Compassion floods out when one is filled
with Freedom and Contentment; compassion oozes out even when one’s
vision is fixed toward THAT. Such a person can never be
inconsiderate to his environment – be it the family, or colleagues,
or fellow travellers, or any stranger on the street. Compassion to
others is an eventuality, a natural eventuality ascertaining the
abundance of happiness within. Apparent lack of compassion is the
symptom of the inherent lack of contentment and freedom. One has to
dig deep through the apparent symptom toward the inherent root cause
to correct the corruption at deeper and deeper layers. THAT TO ME IS
THE SPIRITUALITY. Changing the apparent behavior to suit one’s
beliefs is deceit and hypocracy.

One need not become anything specific – be it in the lifestyle or in
the profession or in the soceity – anything that we are and we do is
OK as far as we dive into the abyss within. All the disturbances of
an ocean is superficial … the deeper we dive, the more peaceful it
is … the abyss of all the bliss is inherent in our depths
where “what we think we do” as well as “what we think we are” are
both annihilated without traces.

Q: Isn’t there an element of sacrifice? Besides being happy, there
must be certain duties of a Householder?

The notions of sacrifice, forgiving, etc. have a corrupt notion
thanks to our ego. What is meant really to people in common sense is
that, a person forgoes his happiness for others’ happiness in these
acts. That means, the ownership is strongly enseeded in such
notions. Typically, sacrifice would mean “Yes that is mine, but I do
not mind giving to the other man so that he can be happy with!” Same
way, forgiving typically means, “Yes the other fellow did something
wrong; but it is OK; let me be magnanimous enough not to react; poor
fellow he does not know what he is doing!” Do you see the strength
of ownership in a subtle camafluage here? That is dangerous for
spirituality.

In contentment, there is no room for ideas such as sacrifice,
forgivingness, etc. Whatever a content man does looks like sacrifice
as he is not staking for any fruits from the actions that flow out
of him. Also, since whatever the environemnt does to him are lost in
the oblivion of the contentment within and hence cannot invoke any
reaction at all. Therefore, it sounds like he is forgiving
everything that is happening around. To him … there is no sacrifice
and no forgiving. For him, “there is nothing mine to aid others”.
Then how can there be a notion of sacrifice? For him, “nothing can
go wrong as there is nothing wrong in the first place”. Then how can
there be a notion of forgiving? Obviously both notions belong to the
others who harbor their respective egoes!

(THANK YOU ! WE SEE NOW THE POINT. ONE DOUBT – SWAMIJI HAS
EMPHASIZED TYAAG (SACRIFICE). It is having our eye on other’s
welfare and benefit. This is true sacrifice (tyaag). THEREFORE TO
SEE TO SOMEONE ELSE’S WELL-BEING, ISN’T THERE AN ELEMENT OF TYAAG
I.E. NOT HAVING EYE ON WHAT IS BENEFICIAL TO US? From Gita Talk
Moderators).

For social and personal upliftment, a softer ego is better than the
crude one, I agree. Notions such as sacrifice, forgiving, etc. are
very useful there. In spiritual upliftment, ego is not acceptable in
any form. When the ego itself is annihilated in spiritual
upliftment, all other upliftments are just natural within that. That
is the beauty of spirituality versus “good living”. “Good living”
(Samaja Dharma) requires many tenets and doctrines as it still
remains variant and circumstantial. Spirituality (Sanaatana Dharma),
on the other hand, is eteranl and unique. It transcends all the
variations as well as the variants catergorically. The happiness
(Ananda) is its abode.

Respects.

Naga Narayana
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Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
The moment one applies self conscience the question of evaluation of
the task sets in, i.e., result is viewed and assessed whether it is
a “good” or “bad” job to do. The assigned job has to be done without
any consideration to that aspect.Could the doubt be cleared by this
humble person ? Namaste..

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Grihastha – Household is the biggest “tapasya” (austerity) which a
human being is subjected to. No other tapasya is as subtle, as
fierce and as consuming as is that of a household. One must always ,
therefore, remember this ‘grihastha’ is a school for one’s
emancipation and address the same accordingly.

Barin Chatterjee
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PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om
Look at the family of Lord Shiva ! Lord Shiva sports garland of
skulls and serpent. Lord Shiva’s vehicle is bull. Parvatiji on the
contrary is always wearing beautiful ornaments. Parvatiji’s vehicle
is Lion. Their son, Lord Ganesha’s vehicle is mouse. Their second
son Lord Karthikeya’s vehicle is peacock. The serpent and mouse are
by birth fierce enemies. Mouse is the food of serpent. Peacock and
serpent are enemies. Peacock kills serpent. Lion and bull are
enemies. Bull is food for lion. Bitter enemies of each other. All in
one family. But, all live in perfect harmony and comfortably.

JUST AS: In Lord Shiva’s family all members have different and
contrasting natures, still there is unity in the family.

SIMILARLY: All members of any household have different natures, and
different perspectives, and still there can be unity.

How? Each member should look at his role and duty only and not at
other’s role and duty. One should always strive to give pleasure to
other. “LET ME WORK AND OTHERS TAKE REST” – should be the ‘bhava’
(inner expression) of a Grihastha.

A grihastha in order to provide pleasure to other family members,
must renounce his own pleasures. That renunciation in fact is true
austerity ! It is law that without renouncing your own pleasure, you
can’t provide happiness to others.

1 Keep doing your duty, don’t look at other’s duty. 2 Feed others’
ego, throw your ego into a dust bin, 3 give pleasure to others,
unmindful of your own pleasures- if you do these, you have lived
well in the grihashtha.

Sadhaks should remember that it is in Grihastha only- each and every
household, no exceptions- that you get practical opportunities to
get rid of “mineness(mamata)” , “ahankaar” (ego), individual likings
and dislikings ( Raag and Dvesha) and learn fine points of
real “karma yoga” and “bhakti yoga”. Grihashtha Ashram (Household)
is the most important and most beneficial phase of each human being.
One must therefore make best use of it. It is in grihastha, seeds of
of your old age are sown.

Above all, in Grihastha it is the utmost duty of a male is to see
God in his parents. If a grihashtha merely obeys his parents , his
life becomes divine. His old age becomes ideal.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B
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PRIOR POSTING
-Shree Hari-

“O descendant of Bharata, at that time Krishna, smiling, in the midst
of both the armies, spoke the following words to the grief-stricken
Arjuna.” B.G. 2:10

The ‘Smile of Krishna’, that is pregnant with, Divine Love,
Compassion, and Wisdom.

If one is of a nature to have these qualities in the household,
then peace and love will prevail.

Being detached from the Ego Wars, will give one the ability to be of
real value to all within the family sphere, (and those who know you).

A person of such qualities will know his duties as a father/mother,
grand parent, and so on. (PLEASE ELABORATE ON THE QUALITIES – FROM
GITA TALK MODERATORS)

With Respect and Divine Love.

Mike (Keenor)
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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
When Unconditional Love flows from SELF that one is, one will know
duties, what to or what not to do, naturally. Doing happens while
doer disappears! At all stages and in all roles duties will be
performed within the guidelines of Dharma as appropriate for the
circumstances one is placed, because one is Loving what has to be
done.
Without feeling such Love, duty feels like forced upon one, and
becomes chores, and boring! With Love, it is not so much as duty,
that one has to do, but rather its a Joy to do it.
So the real issue boils down to “what stops such Love to flow
freely?” Not realizing what I truly AM.
However, we can be guided by wisdom of Gita to ultimately realize
our true nature by performing duties in the best possible ways we
know, with devotion, with Love and without any expectations or
favors. Doing in such a way is its own reward, Yoga itself,
incorporating Yogah Karmashu Kaushalam principle of Gita
So as a householder with family, one takes care of those who are
entrusted to one by God. with an attitude of seeing the family as
gift from God, and serving them is to serve God. That is all!
Namaskar………….Pratap Bhatt
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NEW POSTING

Jai Hanuman

Grihastha is the feeder to all other ashrams. Saints also get food
from households only. The beauty of grihastha ashram is that “you
can’t run away” from your duties. You must do your duties- else
shatterred home ! A sadhu if he confronts with something
unpleasant , he will simply take his kamandal and walk away from the
scene. But a household can not ! That is “austerity” !

Rule of Grihastha is simple- Serve, Serve and serve ! Do your duty !
It is a law that service/duty destroys “mamata” . It is also a law
that if mamata is destroyed, ego gets destroyed automatically. You
instantly realise God if mamata (mine) is destroyed. What else ego
consists except “me” ? Where is the “me” when “mine” is
destroyed? “Me” (ego) and “Mine” ( mamata) are the chains which bind
a human being to the world. From this only Raag and Dvesha emerge !
Household is the place where you can easily -simply by serving the
family-destroy them decisively and achieve the very purpose for
which the human life has been given to you !

“Nirmamo Nirahankarasya sa shanti madi gachhati” – He who has
become “minenessless” and “egoless” gets permanent Peace and
liberation.

As simple as that !

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee
Shashikala
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Shree Hari
Ram Ram
(Shashikalaji, ANY REFERENCE? CAN ONE NOT BE FREE OF MAMTA (free
of mine-ness)BUT STILL HAVE SENSE OF I-NESS (EGOISM)? GT
MODERATORS)

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Friends
1.Arjuna was a Gruhastha, a family man and a householder.The
teachings applicable to Arjuna is applicable to
Gruhastha or householder.
2.The difference between Gruhastha and Sannyasi is difference in
objects of desire or attachment. King Janak devoid of attachment
was better and spiritually advanced than many Cannabis.
3.As rightly mentioned by Shri Naga Narayana the only duty of human
beings is to be happy. It is the substance,core and outcome of all
knowledge and efforts.
4.God is also called ‘SAT CHIT ANAND’ meaning mind/heart filled
with indestructible/permanent joy.Such state is not dependent on
others.
5.Happiness or Joy cannot be at other’s cost or expense.
6.Sacrifice and happiness are contrary. Sacrifice will not provide
happiness. (KINDLY EXPLAIN – FROM GITA TALK MODERATOR)
7.According to Gita ,the only duty is to unite with God because that
alone can be source of happiness.

regards
Ashok Jain
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Dear Sadaks,
KAMA–ARTHA–MOKSHA–PURUSARTHAM.
The 4 steps Grahastha need to do.
But the Grahasta has to do and live as per sastras that Bagavan
says. Grahasth has lot of duties on shoulder as Kunthi had. But
Kunthi did well.
Jai Sri Krishna
B.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,
duty=dharama ?
Family or no family, the only dharma of a man is to unite with God.
1.Accept God is mine and family belongs to God. So serve the family
considering it as a gift given to you by God, with the capacity
given to you by God, with the tools given to you by God.

2.Choose any path-gyaan yoga, bhakti yoga or karma yoga. The common
element is YOGA. Union with the Supreme is the most important.
Many hard working people think that they are following karma yoga,
but they take all responsibily on themselves, they worry, they
insist on certain outcome, they trust their own strength, to me they
are not Yogi.

yoga-sthah kuru karmani
sangam tyaktva dhananjaya
siddhy-asiddhyoh samo bhutva
samatvam yoga ucyate

Establish yr self in Yoga and perform yr duties,abandon all
attachment to success or failure. Such evenness of mind is called
yoga…..

Do whatever God wants you to do while reaiming established in yoga.
with Love,
a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar
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Hi,
According to scriptures, ‘Duty’ is action performed with a sense of
gratitude. Human being is bound to do duties at various levels of
his life i.e Saisavam, Balyam, Kaumaram and Vardhakyam. In Kaumaram
normaly one takes up life of a householder or Grihastha. A
householder must be thankful to his family first who have become
dependent to him by Dharma and by performing a Vivaha. To fully live
the life of a human the operation manual called Gita is available
for reference at any level for us.

with love, krishnadasan.
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Dear Sadhak,
Duty for an individual is pre-determined or may be transitionally
determined elsewhere. One is not to analyze it, nor aspire for it.
Whatever comes in the way that has to be performed with all
sincerity, without having any interest in the result. One has been
given only the right of execution of the assigned work, neither the
cause of it nor the effect.(Karmanye ebo te adhikara, kodachono
faleshu ma, In Gita-II.47).
Option of becoming a Family man was also assigned which has its own
format. The format has also to be strictly followed, as it comes in
the way, but never one can apply his self conscience about
evaluation of the quality of the work assigned. (karmasanginam
agynang budhivedang na jonoyet bidwan jukto sarba karmani sadacharan
jojayet…Gita III-26)

BARIN CHATTERJEE

Warm regards
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
FOR BARINJI,
Kindly explain what you mean in the last paragraph …”never one can
apply his self conscience…….”.
From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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There is ONLY ONE DUTY for all irrespective of what they do …
BEING HAPPY!

As Shankara says,

Jatilo mundee lunchita keshah kashaayaambra bahukrita veshah |
Pashyannapi cha na pashyati mudhah udaranimittam bahukritaveshah ||

everyone has to do something or the other. One claims to be a house-
holder having no clue of what is house and what is holding. So is a
Sanyasi equally clueless of what Sanyasa means. One may ask, what is
the basis to doubt of their knowledge upon what they are doing?
Happiness, my dear friend. One who is unhappy does not where he
is … because he does not know what he is doing … because he does
not know who he is …

Whether you are happy with what you are doing depends on your
intellect. Whether you are happy with what you are depends on your
wisdom. The question really is … whether you want to be happy with
what you are doing … or with what you are.

If you want to be happy with what you do … many questions
follow … how is my “doing” related to happiness?

The “doing” is momentary as I see … then, how much “doing” is
required to maintain the derivative happiness?

The “doing” is multitude and variant … then how many “doings”
should I do to derive effective happiness?

The “doing” is momentary, multitude and variant, how can I ever say
that the “happiness-es” derived from my various “doings” is really
the happiness?

Now the first question looms around stronger … has the “doing”
anything to do with the happiness at all?!

I you want you to be happy with what you are … then who cares what
you do? Stick with what you think you are.

Then comes the question, “Am I the one that I think that I am?”

Then, my dear friend, the clock starts ticking for you toward the
real happiness … because you will find that you are not whatever
you thought as, perpetually. You will discover that all your
thoughts of “what you are” were in fact your “doings” and
never “you”. Then you may also realize that your happiness were
perpetually consumed by these parasites … your identities …
your “doings” and your “are-s”. As far as we are cognizant of what
we “are” and what we “do”, we are OK … we can interrogate them
further.

Relating “what we do” and “what we are” to the happiness is an
absurd baseless logic … it is called “Kaakataaleeya Nyaaya”. A
crow sits on a palm tree. Palm fruit falls down. The observer says,
the palm fruit falls down when a crow sits on the tree. The observer
beleives that there is a relation having not given any attention to
what relation means! Being happy is neither in “what we do” nor
in “what we think we are”. Both are the two faces of the same coing –
IDENTITY, the ego. In fact, if you were ever happy, my dear friend,
it was ONLY WHEN you had kept this coin away in your pocket.

Therefore, whatever you are and whatever you do is OK as far you are
happy. Because your happiness indicates the absence of the true
culprit – the ego. If we stick to the happiness as such, we will
then realize that “what is needed is to throw away this fellow, the
ego. Then what I do does not matter … and what I am does not
matter … I am happy as I should be!”. In my opinion, that is
spirituality.

Therefore, I see only one rule for spirituality irrespective of what
we are and what we do … being happy … being happy at the
core … being nothing but happiness as such.

Respects
Naga Narayana
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
FOR NAGA NARAYANA JI, Yes! Being happy at the core is key ! One
doubt arises is can one be happy at another’s expense as a
householder/family man? Isn’t there an element of sacrifice? Besides
being happy, there must be certain duties of a Householder. Kindly
explain .. how one’s happiness indicates the abscence of the true
culprit – the ego?
From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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Interesting question……

It is all about knowing your true self………while playing the
role whatever it may be……..
Start with positive thought then to Happy thought and try to shift
to no thoughts….

As a householder even reaching to the stage of keeping happy
thoughts all the time works very fine and
gives great results and then the ultimate may happen too….while
the role of a householder goes on
perfectly, joyously……..

Sushil Jain
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Duties of a Gruastha

Very simple I believe. I know I don’t write much because I am afraid
I may offend some people as I have my own strong views as well.

It is nice that you used the word DUTY. Life is a duty and one has
to understand the difference between duty and Maya. Maya attaches
you to the physical manifestation, duty is done as an entity and not
shrouded in Maya. As a father, mother, brother son, sister etc one
performs duty. Thus Moksha is easier to attain.

Happy to call this my 2 cents.
shashi dave
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SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

– only dharma of a man is to unite with God
– Accept God is mine and family belongs to God.
– Follow any path, common element is YOGA. Union with the Supreme
– ‘Duty’ is action performed with a sense of gratitude.
– householder must be thankful to his family first who have become
dependent to him by Dharma and by performing a Vivaha
– operation manual called Gita is ever available to us
– Duty for an individual is pre-determined or may be transitionally
determined
– Duty is to be performed with all sincerity, without attachment to
the result
– Being Happy at the core
– Know your true self, all else is a role
– From positive to happy to no thoughts!
– role of a householder goes on perfectly, joyously
– Life is a duty and one has to understand the difference between
duty and Maya
– Householder life is the biggest “tapasya” (austerity)
– Attitude must be – “LET ME WORK AND OTHERS TAKE REST”
– 1 Keep doing your duty, don’t look at other’s duty. 2 Feed others’
ego, throw your ego into a dust bin, 3 give pleasure to others,
unmindful of your own pleasures
– When Unconditional Love flows from SELF that one is, one will know
duties, what to or what not to do, naturally.
– get rid of “mineness(mamata)” , “ahankaar” (ego), individual
likings and dislikings ( Raag and Dvesha)
– utmost duty of a male is to see God in his parents
– become free of mamta and ahamtaa by serve, serve, serve.
– Free of I-ness and Mine-ness.
– DHARMA – ARTHA – KAMA- MOKSHA–PURUSARTHAM.

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About dhavalrajgeera

Physician who is providing free service to the needy since 1971. Rajendra M. Trivedi, M.D. who is Yoga East Medical Advisor www.yogaeast.net/index.htm http://www.yogaeast.net/index.htm Graduated in 1968 from B. J. Medical College, Amadavad, India. Post Graduate training in Neurological Surgery from Charles University in Czechoslovakia. 1969 - 71. and received Czechoslovakian Government Scholarship. Completed training at the Cambridge Hospital and Harvard University in Psychiatry. Rajendra M. trivedi is an Attending Psychiatrist at Baldpate Hospital. He is the Medical Director of CCA and Pain Center in Stoneham, MA where he has been serving the community since 1971 as a Physician. OTHER AFFILIATIONS: Lifer of APA - American Psychiatrist Association Senior Physician and Volunteer with Massachusetts Medical Society and a Deligate of the Middlesex District. www.massmed.org Patron member of AAPI - American Association of PHYSICIANS OF INDIA. LIFE MEMBER OF IMANE - Indian Medical Association of New England. Member of the Board of Advisors "SAHELI, Boston,MA. www.saheliboston.org/About1/A_Board Dr. Trivedi is working closely with the Perkin's School for the Blind. www.perkins.org. Dr. Trivedi is a Life member and Honorary Volunteer for the Fund Raising Contact for North America of BPA - Blind People Association of Amadavad, India. www.bpaindia.org Dr.Trivedi is the Medical Advisor for Yoga East since 1993. He is a Physician who started Health Screening and Consultation At Shri Dwarkami Clinic in Billerica, MA. https://www.dwarkamai.com/health-and-wellness

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